Comments on: Dave Winer fixes mobile news consumption with River-of-News philosophy http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html Daily news and opinion for 250,000 industry executives and mobile fanatics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:17:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-440 Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:04:07 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-440 <strong>News Revolution (again)</strong> Dave Winer has caused a stir again. He has been setting up easy, readable news feeds from top news sites blogs, that display well on your PDA, mobile phone, or blackberry. Ewan MacLeod has a great write-up of why this is important. Why does it ... News Revolution (again)

Dave Winer has caused a stir again. He has been setting up easy, readable news feeds from top news sites blogs, that display well on your PDA, mobile phone, or blackberry. Ewan MacLeod has a great write-up of why this is important.
Why does it …

]]> By: Geoff http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-438 Geoff Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:05:34 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-438 We have just set up 20 'clean' feeds from the BBC for the premier UK soccer teams eg Manchester United is at <a href="http://mufcriver.com" rel="nofollow">http://mufcriver.com</a> all the other clubs have the same pattern the initials of the club name with FC and river so Arsenal is afcriver.com We have just set up 20 ‘clean’ feeds from the BBC for the premier UK soccer teams eg Manchester United is at http://mufcriver.com all the other clubs have the same pattern the initials of the club name with FC and river so Arsenal is afcriver.com

]]> By: EirePreneur http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-439 EirePreneur Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:12:34 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-439 <strong>River of News to River of Feeds</strong> Dave Winer is hitting the memetracker headlines again with lots of commentary on the new mobile version of his River of News feed aggregation model. While I like that the River of News philosophy frees us from the aggregation hell River of News to River of Feeds

Dave Winer is hitting the memetracker headlines again with lots of commentary on the new mobile version of his River of News feed aggregation model. While I like that the River of News philosophy frees us from the aggregation hell

]]> By: Dan Lane http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-437 Dan Lane Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:05:11 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-437 I have a NewsGator premium subscription, it keeps my RSS feeds synced between NetNewsWire on my desktop and laptop and I use their Mobile Edition to read my feeds on whichever phone I'm using. Because all the clients are syncing with NewsGator, if I read an article on my desktop, it gets marked as read on my laptop, the web interface and the mobile web interface. Similarly, if I read some articles using the mobile web interface while I'm waiting in a queue at the supermarket, those articles will be marked as read on my desktop client when I get home. The mobile web version shows a list of feeds that have unread articles, click on each feed to read all of that feeds unread articles in a single page with a link at the bottom to "mark all as read" which can either return you to the main list or the next feed's unread articles (this is configurable). The mobile interface is also easily usable with one-hand on most phones (including the bulky HTC Universal I use a lot). I really feel get my $19.95 worth out of it. (and I'm not normally the sort of person that goes for services such as this, I normally prefer to "roll my own" solution). I have a NewsGator premium subscription, it keeps my RSS feeds synced between NetNewsWire on my desktop and laptop and I use their Mobile Edition to read my feeds on whichever phone I’m using.

Because all the clients are syncing with NewsGator, if I read an article on my desktop, it gets marked as read on my laptop, the web interface and the mobile web interface. Similarly, if I read some articles using the mobile web interface while I’m waiting in a queue at the supermarket, those articles will be marked as read on my desktop client when I get home.

The mobile web version shows a list of feeds that have unread articles, click on each feed to read all of that feeds unread articles in a single page with a link at the bottom to “mark all as read” which can either return you to the main list or the next feed’s unread articles (this is configurable). The mobile interface is also easily usable with one-hand on most phones (including the bulky HTC Universal I use a lot).

I really feel get my $19.95 worth out of it. (and I’m not normally the sort of person that goes for services such as this, I normally prefer to “roll my own” solution).

]]> By: tom gordon http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-436 tom gordon Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:46:48 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-436 This is the approach I took with the WAP version of my games news site (www.news0r.com/wap/) - it only ever displays the headlines, and you click through to read the story in a WAP-sized chunk. My original imode site took the headline+first line approach, although this is something i'm dropping in favour of just headlines - you can get more on the page. I do like this idea though (I liked it when I first read about it on Dave's site ages ago), and I've got a half-written WAP site that does this for an arbitrary list of RSS feeds, but no time to complete it :) This is the approach I took with the WAP version of my games news site (www.news0r.com/wap/) – it only ever displays the headlines, and you click through to read the story in a WAP-sized chunk. My original imode site took the headline+first line approach, although this is something i’m dropping in favour of just headlines – you can get more on the page.

I do like this idea though (I liked it when I first read about it on Dave’s site ages ago), and I’ve got a half-written WAP site that does this for an arbitrary list of RSS feeds, but no time to complete it :)

]]> By: Bernie Goldbach http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-435 Bernie Goldbach Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:14:41 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-435 Or if your day job requires you to sit underground, aboard aircraft or away from wireless signals, you might sync your reading onto your Blackberry/mobile phone. I used to carry pages from AvantGo with me and then discovered FreeNews. After looking at the River scraper, I think FreeNews is faster and if your carrier bills by the megabyte, FreeNews is definitely less expensive. I caught up with the developer: <a href="http://podcasting.ie/podcast/freenews/" rel="nofollow">http://podcasting.ie/podcast/freenews/</a> Or if your day job requires you to sit underground, aboard aircraft or away from wireless signals, you might sync your reading onto your Blackberry/mobile phone. I used to carry pages from AvantGo with me and then discovered FreeNews. After looking at the River scraper, I think FreeNews is faster and if your carrier bills by the megabyte, FreeNews is definitely less expensive.

I caught up with the developer:

http://podcasting.ie/podcast/freenews/

]]> By: Phil Wilson http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-434 Phil Wilson Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:15:59 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-434 Your "Dave's Solution" is wrong. It does not take into account the clicking through to read the full story which you do using the BBC PDA edition. If the PDA edition really upsets you that much, you can use either the mobile edition on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile</a> or the low bandwidth PDA edition on <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda/default.htm</a> - I would agree that there is some duplication here :) Your “Dave’s Solution” is wrong. It does not take into account the clicking through to read the full story which you do using the BBC PDA edition.

If the PDA edition really upsets you that much, you can use either the mobile edition on http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile or the low bandwidth PDA edition on http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda/default.htm

- I would agree that there is some duplication here :)

]]> By: Dave Winer http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-433 Dave Winer Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:02:19 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-433 Thanks! Great work explaining why the amount of work you have to do matters. I hate slogging through hierarchies of news pages waiting for them to load while I sip news in tiny teaspoon fulls. My mind can absorb a fire-hose size flow on my desktop and a garden hose on my BlackBerry, so I want the most I can get in each package. You've said why it works very concisely and eloquently, and thanks for taking the time to do so. Cheers!! Thanks! Great work explaining why the amount of work you have to do matters. I hate slogging through hierarchies of news pages waiting for them to load while I sip news in tiny teaspoon fulls. My mind can absorb a fire-hose size flow on my desktop and a garden hose on my BlackBerry, so I want the most I can get in each package. You’ve said why it works very concisely and eloquently, and thanks for taking the time to do so. Cheers!!

]]> By: carlo http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2006/08/dave_winer_fixe.html/comment-page-1#comment-432 carlo Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:26:01 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.co.uk/2006/08/dave_winer_fixes_mobile_news_consumption_with_river-of-news_philosophy.html#comment-432 I'm not sure that I find the increased difficulty in navigating BBCRiver offset by the negligible (for me, anyway) increase in speed of loading individual stories from the BBC's low-graphics site (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm)," rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm),</a> especially when using Opera Mini. This "rivers" of news idea is one I find particularly unsuitable to mobile, where ease of navigation is arguably even more important than on a desktop browser. Perhaps it fits Dave's preferred way of reading the news, but I don't think it works for most people, who are probably more interested in smaller tributaries of the BBC or NYT that are either focused on their interests or allow them to more easily find those items they're interested in. Still, I find it mildly amusing how the apparent realization that mobile exists as a platform from somebody like Winer spreads like wildfire among the blogging set. Welcome to the cool kids' club, everybody :) I’m not sure that I find the increased difficulty in navigating BBCRiver offset by the negligible (for me, anyway) increase in speed of loading individual stories from the BBC’s low-graphics site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm), especially when using Opera Mini. This “rivers” of news idea is one I find particularly unsuitable to mobile, where ease of navigation is arguably even more important than on a desktop browser. Perhaps it fits Dave’s preferred way of reading the news, but I don’t think it works for most people, who are probably more interested in smaller tributaries of the BBC or NYT that are either focused on their interests or allow them to more easily find those items they’re interested in.

Still, I find it mildly amusing how the apparent realization that mobile exists as a platform from somebody like Winer spreads like wildfire among the blogging set. Welcome to the cool kids’ club, everybody :)

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