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	<title>Comments on: Mobile Data via Bluetooth is a pile of crap</title>
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		<title>By: Nightweb</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-240988</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using a Nokia 5800 as a modem (actually using it to post this post) using nothing but default buletooth software in windows XP, no special Drivers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First I paired them as you do normally then double clicking on the Buletooth Icon inthe system tray beside the clock I click on my phone in the list then clicked properties,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;once the new windows popped up it has two tabs, I clicked on the Services tab and it serches for the services the phone provides, then Click on Dail-Up Networking (DUN) Windows should install stuff&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then make sure that your phone has the correct GPRS/3G setting&#039;s it&#039;s normally beside a setting asking Wether to connect &quot;when Needed&quot; OR &quot;When Avaible&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;afther this you just need to start tthe new connection wizard and look for the newly added option as a modem, after that just login with the username and password for your network and it should connect and happy connection.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mines been runing for about 4 hours now but the battery with get eaten up suggest you charge it at this time too&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(see here for network Info)&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m using a Nokia 5800 as a modem (actually using it to post this post) using nothing but default buletooth software in windows XP, no special Drivers.</p>
<p>First I paired them as you do normally then double clicking on the Buletooth Icon inthe system tray beside the clock I click on my phone in the list then clicked properties,</p>
<p>once the new windows popped up it has two tabs, I clicked on the Services tab and it serches for the services the phone provides, then Click on Dail-Up Networking (DUN) Windows should install stuff</p>
<p>Then make sure that your phone has the correct GPRS/3G setting&#39;s it&#39;s normally beside a setting asking Wether to connect &#8220;when Needed&#8221; OR &#8220;When Avaible&#8221;</p>
<p>afther this you just need to start tthe new connection wizard and look for the newly added option as a modem, after that just login with the username and password for your network and it should connect and happy connection.</p>
<p>Mines been runing for about 4 hours now but the battery with get eaten up suggest you charge it at this time too</p>
<p>(see here for network Info)<br /><a href="http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669" rel="nofollow">http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nightweb</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-238599</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using a Nokia 5800 as a modem (actually using it to post this post) using nothing but default buletooth software in windows XP, no special Drivers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First I paired them as you do normally then double clicking on the Buletooth Icon inthe system tray beside the clock I click on my phone in the list then clicked properties,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;once the new windows popped up it has two tabs, I clicked on the Services tab and it serches for the services the phone provides, then Click on Dail-Up Networking (DUN) Windows should install stuff&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then make sure that your phone has the correct GPRS/3G setting&#039;s it&#039;s normally beside a setting asking Wether to connect &quot;when Needed&quot; OR &quot;When Avaible&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;afther this you just need to start tthe new connection wizard and look for the newly added option as a modem, after that just login with the username and password for your network and it should connect and happy connection.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mines been runing for about 4 hours now but the battery with get eaten up suggest you charge it at this time too&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(see here for network Info)&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m using a Nokia 5800 as a modem (actually using it to post this post) using nothing but default buletooth software in windows XP, no special Drivers.</p>
<p>First I paired them as you do normally then double clicking on the Buletooth Icon inthe system tray beside the clock I click on my phone in the list then clicked properties,</p>
<p>once the new windows popped up it has two tabs, I clicked on the Services tab and it serches for the services the phone provides, then Click on Dail-Up Networking (DUN) Windows should install stuff</p>
<p>Then make sure that your phone has the correct GPRS/3G setting&#39;s it&#39;s normally beside a setting asking Wether to connect &#8220;when Needed&#8221; OR &#8220;When Avaible&#8221;</p>
<p>afther this you just need to start tthe new connection wizard and look for the newly added option as a modem, after that just login with the username and password for your network and it should connect and happy connection.</p>
<p>Mines been runing for about 4 hours now but the battery with get eaten up suggest you charge it at this time too</p>
<p>(see here for network Info)<br /><a href="http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669" rel="nofollow">http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6669</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-216499</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m using a thinkpad r61 and a nokia 6230i over bluetooth and its giving me bloody immense speeds..  i have one of these sidekick dealies and it was useless . did NOT work as a modem, but this 6230i so robust, and of course i dont care about destroying it because its a pice of crap,
 definately a good move getting the built in bluetooth,

the nokia combo also gets my macbook mobile.. at fair speeds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m using a thinkpad r61 and a nokia 6230i over bluetooth and its giving me bloody immense speeds..  i have one of these sidekick dealies and it was useless . did NOT work as a modem, but this 6230i so robust, and of course i dont care about destroying it because its a pice of crap,<br />
 definately a good move getting the built in bluetooth,</p>
<p>the nokia combo also gets my macbook mobile.. at fair speeds</p>
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		<title>By: BT sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>BT sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree, bluetooth communications sucks, think i will wait a few more year or until the device drivers manufacturers and hardware manufacturers make something that isn&#039;t so crappy. Imagine a barcode scanner, that works for 3 scan&#039;s then disconnects, i can see people in the supermarkets waitiing while the check out operator reconnects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree, bluetooth communications sucks, think i will wait a few more year or until the device drivers manufacturers and hardware manufacturers make something that isn&#8217;t so crappy. Imagine a barcode scanner, that works for 3 scan&#8217;s then disconnects, i can see people in the supermarkets waitiing while the check out operator reconnects.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Coghlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Coghlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using a Nokia N73 with T-Mobile connecting over bluetooth.  Was a bit of a pain to setup with OSX 10.4, but in the end I found these instructions worked fine:
http://thinkabdul.com/2006/11/25/tutorial-connect-to-gprs-internet-from-mac-osx-with-nokia-s60-as-bluetooth-gprs-modem/

I haven&#039;t done any speed tests but I found the connection adequate for developing with a SSH terminal and most web browsing.  Only issue for me is battery life: I&#039;ve had to splash out on a USB charger cable/spare battery...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using a Nokia N73 with T-Mobile connecting over bluetooth.  Was a bit of a pain to setup with OSX 10.4, but in the end I found these instructions worked fine:<br />
<a href="http://thinkabdul.com/2006/11/25/tutorial-connect-to-gprs-internet-from-mac-osx-with-nokia-s60-as-bluetooth-gprs-modem/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkabdul.com/2006/11/25/tutorial-connect-to-gprs-internet-from-mac-osx-with-nokia-s60-as-bluetooth-gprs-modem/</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done any speed tests but I found the connection adequate for developing with a SSH terminal and most web browsing.  Only issue for me is battery life: I&#8217;ve had to splash out on a USB charger cable/spare battery&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Fuellemann</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-24042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Fuellemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

there are two issues: First check if you E61 really has the latest firmware. This is vital, even though you can use the built in software, the E61 behaves differently when it is used as a modem device.

Then: ssh clients behave strange when you use them over a mobile GSM connection. Which one do you use, did it work before, is there another one you can use?

With low-speed ssh access like with GPRS connections it very often happens for the network provider to drop the connection, since he thinks there is no more data flow ... 

Thanks,

Jan Fuellemann &#124;Â nova media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>there are two issues: First check if you E61 really has the latest firmware. This is vital, even though you can use the built in software, the E61 behaves differently when it is used as a modem device.</p>
<p>Then: ssh clients behave strange when you use them over a mobile GSM connection. Which one do you use, did it work before, is there another one you can use?</p>
<p>With low-speed ssh access like with GPRS connections it very often happens for the network provider to drop the connection, since he thinks there is no more data flow &#8230; </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jan Fuellemann |Â nova media</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using an A1000 with a Windows machine, so, as you&#039;d expect, I&#039;ve run into trouble. Mostly driver trouble. If you&#039;re using Windows, make sure you try several versions of all the relevant drivers - the latest one isn&#039;t the most stable for me, so maybe not for you either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using an A1000 with a Windows machine, so, as you&#8217;d expect, I&#8217;ve run into trouble. Mostly driver trouble. If you&#8217;re using Windows, make sure you try several versions of all the relevant drivers &#8211; the latest one isn&#8217;t the most stable for me, so maybe not for you either.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Westley</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-23561</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam Westley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used an Orange SPV500 and a T-Mobile MDA Vario with a HP nc6000/nc4010 laptops with the Bluetooth for HP (WIDCOMM) drivers, running under Windows XP Pro SP2.

I could never get dial up networking to work until I went into Control Panel -&gt; Phone and Modem Options, found the bluetooth modem and entered the extra initialization commands in the &#039;Advanced&#039; tab.

  +CGDCONT =1,&quot;IP&quot;, &quot;orangeinternet&quot;

Oddly, I didn&#039;t change the &#039;orangeinternet&#039; when I switched to T-Mobile but it didn&#039;t seem to matter.

I only really dive in and out of collecting e-mails so don&#039;t generally have the bluetooth on that long, but I have forgotten about it a few times and 20 minutes later it was still collecting e-mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used an Orange SPV500 and a T-Mobile MDA Vario with a HP nc6000/nc4010 laptops with the Bluetooth for HP (WIDCOMM) drivers, running under Windows XP Pro SP2.</p>
<p>I could never get dial up networking to work until I went into Control Panel -&gt; Phone and Modem Options, found the bluetooth modem and entered the extra initialization commands in the &#8216;Advanced&#8217; tab.</p>
<p>  +CGDCONT =1,&#8221;IP&#8221;, &#8220;orangeinternet&#8221;</p>
<p>Oddly, I didn&#8217;t change the &#8216;orangeinternet&#8217; when I switched to T-Mobile but it didn&#8217;t seem to matter.</p>
<p>I only really dive in and out of collecting e-mails so don&#8217;t generally have the bluetooth on that long, but I have forgotten about it a few times and 20 minutes later it was still collecting e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-23450</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the E61 with my powerbook via bluetooth as well, no problems from me, using a similar setup to the instructions at http://www.nokme.com/connect-to-gprs-internet-using-nokia-e61-on-mac-29.html

I find the speeds to be a bit slower than Jay does, my speed tests suggest that here is Croydon I get around 128kbit (could just be Croydon though TBH).

Annoyingly the E61 isn&#039;t an HSDPA device so you&#039;ll never get super-high speeds, although I notice there is a high-speed service automatically added to my T-Mobile account so if you stick your SIM in an HSDPA handset or data card and (if you&#039;re in an area covered by T-Mobile&#039;s HSDPA network) you should get 2mbit down and 384kbit up... the future is bright... no, wait.

(also, no graphics corruption here using the Camino nightly build)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the E61 with my powerbook via bluetooth as well, no problems from me, using a similar setup to the instructions at <a href="http://www.nokme.com/connect-to-gprs-internet-using-nokia-e61-on-mac-29.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nokme.com/connect-to-gprs-internet-using-nokia-e61-on-mac-29.html</a></p>
<p>I find the speeds to be a bit slower than Jay does, my speed tests suggest that here is Croydon I get around 128kbit (could just be Croydon though TBH).</p>
<p>Annoyingly the E61 isn&#8217;t an HSDPA device so you&#8217;ll never get super-high speeds, although I notice there is a high-speed service automatically added to my T-Mobile account so if you stick your SIM in an HSDPA handset or data card and (if you&#8217;re in an area covered by T-Mobile&#8217;s HSDPA network) you should get 2mbit down and 384kbit up&#8230; the future is bright&#8230; no, wait.</p>
<p>(also, no graphics corruption here using the Camino nightly build)</p>
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		<title>By: ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graphics corruption? Hmm.  I am typing in Camino and see nothing. Er, except the cursor is blinking ridiculously fast.  Other than that, all is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graphics corruption? Hmm.  I am typing in Camino and see nothing. Er, except the cursor is blinking ridiculously fast.  Other than that, all is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/01/mobile_data_via_bluetooth_is_a_pile_of_crap.html/comment-page-1#comment-23428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s a firmware issue - I use T-Mobile data on the e61 over Bluetooth to a mac for at least an hour a day, and generally it only disconnects when the signal drops (understandable).

With regards to the 28k connection speed, this evening on the boat I was streaming YouTube videos over the connection, and the experience was the same as it would be at home (i.e. crap quality, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s T-Mobile&#039;s fault ;) - generally it&#039;s equivalent to a 512kbit broadband connection for downloads, and I regularly get 40-50kbytes/sec out of it.

I&#039;m not using the launch2net software, but I presume all it does is  is use the standard GPRS/3G AT commands to the modem emulation in the phone.. so should be the same.

(Sidenote.. does anyone else get graphic corruption in the comments box on Ewan&#039;s blog when filling it on a mac, in Camino and Firefox?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a firmware issue &#8211; I use T-Mobile data on the e61 over Bluetooth to a mac for at least an hour a day, and generally it only disconnects when the signal drops (understandable).</p>
<p>With regards to the 28k connection speed, this evening on the boat I was streaming YouTube videos over the connection, and the experience was the same as it would be at home (i.e. crap quality, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s T-Mobile&#8217;s fault <img src='http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; generally it&#8217;s equivalent to a 512kbit broadband connection for downloads, and I regularly get 40-50kbytes/sec out of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not using the launch2net software, but I presume all it does is  is use the standard GPRS/3G AT commands to the modem emulation in the phone.. so should be the same.</p>
<p>(Sidenote.. does anyone else get graphic corruption in the comments box on Ewan&#8217;s blog when filling it on a mac, in Camino and Firefox?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewan,
I know you are wanting to you use BT but my laptop doesn&#039;t have BT so I use the pop port cable and get on a very reasonable speeds.  I hate that I have to use a cable, I promised myself my next laptop will have BT but it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewan,<br />
I know you are wanting to you use BT but my laptop doesn&#8217;t have BT so I use the pop port cable and get on a very reasonable speeds.  I hate that I have to use a cable, I promised myself my next laptop will have BT but it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regularly use an N70 via bluetooth to connect my pc to the internet.   It didn&#039;t work the first time tho.  Had to upgrade the odd modem driver or two.

Design by committee I guess.

Richard Spence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regularly use an N70 via bluetooth to connect my pc to the internet.   It didn&#8217;t work the first time tho.  Had to upgrade the odd modem driver or two.</p>
<p>Design by committee I guess.</p>
<p>Richard Spence</p>
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