Comments on: O2 exec: ‘flat rate data would kill our network’ http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html Daily news and opinion for 250,000 industry executives and mobile fanatics Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:49:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Alex http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47818 Alex Wed, 02 May 2007 20:38:38 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47818 Go Steve.. Go Steve.. there was me thinking the network police had come and whisked you off in a black van with blacked out windows ;) Go Steve.. Go Steve.. there was me thinking the network police had come and whisked you off in a black van with blacked out windows ;)

]]> By: steve procter http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47752 steve procter Wed, 02 May 2007 15:09:44 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47752 "whine whinge, break our networks, whine whine whine". That is all I ever here from the operators. total and utter shite! The networks are totally hacking me off. They are such a bunch of whining arses. Pull your fingers out of your backsides, slap each other across the faces and start providing real groundbreaking services that the customer would want, rather than screwing us all into the ground. I have never come across such a backward industry as the mobile operators. Their poor financial ability to find smart models that work "for" the consumer, and the inability to innovate is totally strangling the true potential of mobile communications. The way they work against the rest of the mobile industry is so disgusting it pains me every time I read about them. The incredible work being done in VOIP for example but the "whine oh the technology isn't good enough yet whinge" tosh they come out with just....aaarrrggggghhhh, gets to me. I have written this here but could have applied it to loads of the topics brought up almost daily on here about the network operators. I doubt this wins me any friends in the operators and as founder of itagg, a company that provides sms services to businesses, it does seem strange to be at such odds with the operators. But something just isn't right with them. Sorry Ewan to be so forthright on here and feel free to bleep my occasional dodgy words ;-) I just feel we are all in a boat together and all the innovators are rowing one way and the mobile operators are rowing backwards - and not accidently either!! steve “whine whinge, break our networks, whine whine whine”. That is all I ever here from the operators. total and utter shite! The networks are totally hacking me off. They are such a bunch of whining arses.

Pull your fingers out of your backsides, slap each other across the faces and start providing real groundbreaking services that the customer would want, rather than screwing us all into the ground. I have never come across such a backward industry as the mobile operators. Their poor financial ability to find smart models that work “for” the consumer, and the inability to innovate is totally strangling the true potential of mobile communications. The way they work against the rest of the mobile industry is so disgusting it pains me every time I read about them. The incredible work being done in VOIP for example but the “whine oh the technology isn’t good enough yet whinge” tosh they come out with just….aaarrrggggghhhh, gets to me.

I have written this here but could have applied it to loads of the topics brought up almost daily on here about the network operators.

I doubt this wins me any friends in the operators and as founder of itagg, a company that provides sms services to businesses, it does seem strange to be at such odds with the operators. But something just isn’t right with them.

Sorry Ewan to be so forthright on here and feel free to bleep my occasional dodgy words ;-) I just feel we are all in a boat together and all the innovators are rowing one way and the mobile operators are rowing backwards – and not accidently either!!

steve

]]> By: Mike http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47718 Mike Wed, 02 May 2007 11:32:20 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47718 Anyone at Internet World yesterday heard the O2 head of products/marketing etc say just that. Not the exact word 'kill' because he wrapped it up in marketingspeke, but the very clear message was that they won't do it because even a small number of flat-rate users would overload their network. o2 have the smallest 3G network - about 5,000 cells AFAIK. That's about what Three had when they launched 4 years ago, and everyone remembers how badly that went. 3G coverage at 2100MHz is a verrrry different kettle of crustaceans than 2G at 900. To get a slight improvement in performance you need a lot more sites - especially in-building, where most mobile content is consumed. And as Shovel says, Us networks do have much lower densities. That's why some of their cellsites are 300ft high! Anyone at Internet World yesterday heard the O2 head of products/marketing etc say just that. Not the exact word ‘kill’ because he wrapped it up in marketingspeke, but the very clear message was that they won’t do it because even a small number of flat-rate users would overload their network.

o2 have the smallest 3G network – about 5,000 cells AFAIK. That’s about what Three had when they launched 4 years ago, and everyone remembers how badly that went. 3G coverage at 2100MHz is a verrrry different kettle of crustaceans than 2G at 900. To get a slight improvement in performance you need a lot more sites – especially in-building, where most mobile content is consumed.

And as Shovel says, Us networks do have much lower densities. That’s why some of their cellsites are 300ft high!

]]> By: shovel http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47686 shovel Wed, 02 May 2007 07:45:40 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47686 US networks have the advantage of MUCH lower population density, even in cities (except in the USA). even so, they spend a lot more on capex than europeanc arriers. US networks have the advantage of MUCH lower population density, even in cities (except in the USA). even so, they spend a lot more on capex than europeanc arriers.

]]> By: Ricky http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47542 Ricky Tue, 01 May 2007 15:14:30 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47542 That's funny, seeing as how all of the American carriers have flat rate unlimited data plans available. Wonder if someone pointed out that *apparently* the US networks are stronger than the European, if they'd change their stance.... That’s funny, seeing as how all of the American carriers have flat rate unlimited data plans available. Wonder if someone pointed out that *apparently* the US networks are stronger than the European, if they’d change their stance….

]]> By: shovel http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47540 shovel Tue, 01 May 2007 14:58:14 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47540 Frankly, it says a lot that that's never occurred to you. O2 are a special case because they have systematically under-invested, but cellular ain't like DSL. Capcity is carefully judged to meet expected traffic levels, and adding more capacity means building more towers. Giving everyone unretricted inernet access at low prices would have a significant impact on traffic, and if the network is built with voice use only in mind, then yes, you would kill the network. Frankly, it says a lot that that’s never occurred to you.

O2 are a special case because they have systematically under-invested, but cellular ain’t like DSL. Capcity is carefully judged to meet expected traffic levels, and adding more capacity means building more towers. Giving everyone unretricted inernet access at low prices would have a significant impact on traffic, and if the network is built with voice use only in mind, then yes, you would kill the network.

]]> By: Alex http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47538 Alex Tue, 01 May 2007 14:48:33 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47538 Quite possibly, depending on how the network has been designed in terms of backhaul from the cells. AFAIK most of their backhaul is fibre, so shouldn't be exactly rocket science to upgrade the links. Quite possibly, depending on how the network has been designed in terms of backhaul from the cells. AFAIK most of their backhaul is fibre, so shouldn’t be exactly rocket science to upgrade the links.

]]> By: Mark http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html/comment-page-1#comment-47525 Mark Tue, 01 May 2007 14:09:02 +0000 http://www.smstextnews.com/2007/05/o2_exec_flat_rate_data_would_kill_our_network.html#comment-47525 Bollocks ! Bollocks !

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