Posts Tagged ‘Google Latitude’

Mr Operator on Google Latitude: No One Saw This Coming

Thursday, February 12th, 2009

After publishing Andrew of Rummble’s super take on Google Latitude last week (Latitude: Google’s Trojan Horse (or, Why Who’s Nearby Is Not A Business)), I’m delighted to bring you a brand new Mr Operator piece.

He’s been crazy busy over recent weeks and, indeed months, I’m sorry I haven’t been able to bring you more of his pieces. I know that they are immensely popular — it’s all down to his availability.

If you’d like to catch up on the background to Mr Operator, I suggest reading this introductory piece. You can read all of Mr Operator’s pieces here.

Here’s a quick overview. His identity is a closely held secret. Think of him like Top Gear’s Stig.

He is that man. He’s the guy you pitch at one of the world’s largest international operators. Hardly a week goes by where he doesn’t send me a text privately ridiculing yet another high profile startup that’s just been sent marching, tail between their legs, from his office. He does the best he can to help smooth rough diamonds but, geez, the stories he tells me. He doesn’t ridicule them for spite. It’s frustration. He’s hugely frustrated with the total lack of understanding displayed by most entrepreneurs trying to do business with operators.

Let me try and imitate Jeremy Clarkson.

“Some say he was raised by wolves in the Russian tundra — and might have a mobile base station as a parent. All we know is he’s called Mr Operator…”

Here we go:

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There’s been a lot of Latitude noise in the last few days. The tabloid press has raised the usual spectres – spying partners, snooping bosses – all the while blissfully unaware of the irony. An industry that prides itself on deception, underhand reporting tactics, anonymous tipsters and general peeping into other’s lives to make money shouldn’t protest so loud methinks.

You can see The Sun / Express headline now: “Google Got Me Fired”…”Google Destroyed My Marriage”…”Google Abducted My Child”. The fact that any parties involved had to explicitly opt-in to the upgrade/download, had to sign in, had to turn Latitude on, had to add contacts, had to set their location sharing on – mere technicalities. No-one’s going to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

However it is this reaction and the great unwashed’s assumed agreement that will have MNO’s thinking twice. No-one will want to be the first to launch something that will be dubbed the ‘SpyPhone’. The fact that all MNO’s have – to one degree or another – relationships with Google, that a large majority of their devices support Latitude, and in some cases they actively pushed Google services to customers (T-Mobile) just adds to the apprehension. Some will be feeling a bit blindsided by this – word on the street is that no-one saw this coming so soon. Even product managers who meet up with Google reps on a near-daily basis were in the dark. This is a release worthy of Cupertino.

Regardless, the LoMoSoSo cat/bag ratio is lower than it was a week ago.

Right now it is the geekerati who are playing with Latitude, and mulling over its limitations, possibilities and implications. Much dire talk has been made of the chances of location-based social networks now Google has made its move. Companies are frantically scrabbling to find points of differentiation, to spin themselves as being still relevant in a post-Latitude world. Location Product Managers are being questioned by the C-level, and in turn they are questioning existing providers and those pitching – “What’s your answer to Latitude?” “Why shouldn’t I just wait?” etc. Crunched VC’s with little free cash will be taking the blowtourch to LBS business plans over the next few months. Expect some LoMoSoSo firesales come summertime. As if it wasn’t hard enough already…

Latitude 1.0 has shown what the platform can do. We’ll have to wait for the next evolution to see relevance come into the mix, and it is then that the masses will see the advantages. Others on this site and elsewhere have raised the challenge that mere location is not worthy, but context is. Right now you need to make your own context, and that’s just too hard a sell for anyone outside the circle of S60 / iPhone fanbois. Putting the onus on the user to join the dots won’t work. Like Amazon’s recommendations, Latitude needs to be pushing stuff to you in a manner indistinguishable from magic. ‘Can’t-resist’ offers from retailers you love, proximity notifications from friends you like, much more relevant results from searches. The magic, the added value, plus bringing the privacy controls more to the fore will greatly ease the sell to the masses.

If you are at a loose end, you should be able to broadcast as such to those friends nearby. You don’t need to know Bob is a block away beforehand, and anyway that’s too stalkerish for most, and mapwatching is a timewaster for you. So Bob receives a tap on the shoulder that you are around and up for a drink, knowing he can ignore without you being aware of the rejection if desired. The paradigm is already there in the many requests for SocNet connections we ignore. Indeed, rejection of meeting requests via Outlook with the “Reject and do not respond” has been with us for two decades. It’s become accepted not to friend someone back. No RSVP necessary.

For a family on holiday, Latitude means parents and teens can split up. Mum off to look at shoes, dad off to check out that Vespa dealer, teens off to hang out around that cool fountain where all the locals were spotted last night. Meeting up a few hours later for lunch just became a whole lot easier. Fire up GMaps, click on the rest of the family and choose ‘Get directions’. Dead easy. Of course this relies on roaming data being cheap enough, but we are getting there. Certainly within a year or so with EU regulation looming unless MNO’s pull finger, the idea of your mobile being a useful tool for holiday navigation is quite viable. Imagine disappearing into winding backstreets, following your nose through bazaars, souks, architecture, whatever rings your bell. But knowing that you can easily and quickly find your way back to others in your party.

I envisage a ‘Degrees of Awareness’, where your best friend/sibling/spouse and you both are set to always visible, always proximity-alarmed. You always want to know when they are near. Unless you are doing something deceptive, you’d have no reason not to do this. However your colleagues are a level or two down. You might be interested in knowing if a business contact is stuck in the same snowed-in airport, maybe not.

The apparent suspicion that some claim would be leveled at those appearing offline is a non-issue. Look at how often apps on handsets log out / crash these days. How often do mobiles go out of coverage? The continued realities of mobile life will be the perfect reason, should – however unlikely it may be – someone confront you. Whether you were the victim of an app crash / poor coverage or were deliberately hiding is entirely between you and your mobile.

So unfounded angst / tabloid hypocrisy aside, what does the next year hold?

1) No MNO will actively push Latitude. There’s no service Latitude enables they can monetise anyway. They won’t block upgrades, but they won’t be advertising it either.

2) Google will enhance the IM function, to allow GTalk / Jabber use right from the map display. GTalk will become sexy. Already the status in Latitude pulls from / pushes to GTalk.

3) Added levels of granularity / contact grouping will evolve, with time/day of week settings too. Just as mobiles can block / allow calls from different groups based on time/day/profile, so will Latitude publish / hide / alert you accordingly.

Look for Latitude 2.0 to take off in 1-2 years time, once the general privacy panic has evaporated under the sunny beam of real-world usefulness. Assuming the API’s are exposed, handset vendors will begin to integrate the proximity info into contact lists, and add menu options bringing the privacy options more to the fore. These may tie in with API’s for other LBS apps a la Fire Eagle, but Google have already denied this is on the cards, citing privacy concerns. Maybe some clever-clogs will do some sort of PC or mobile daemon to bring the Latitude functionality into the open. Whether Google can share API’s with handset vendors but not others will be interesting to watch. There will certainly be cachet in being the first to bring deep Latitude integration to a device.

Of great interest will be what the new Yahoo! CEO decides to do with Fire Eagle. It’s been flapping along for a few years now, garnering much kudos within LBS circles for its openness but zero attention from the world in general. There’s not much difference in functionality, apart from the open/shut API thing. Brand Google is a massive leg-up over the myriad of Fire Eagle apps, and if Yahoo! can get over the privacy aspects, so can Google. But if there’s value in remaining closed, they will do so. Google aren’t a charity, and Fire Eagle has yet to show a valid strategy for continuing to suck up resource from Yahoo!. Yahoo! don’t have a Mobile GMaps to nail Fire Eagle onto, and all the Fire Eagle players are so far below the consumer radar they might as well be under water.

Overall Latitude has been a long time coming, and was always going to cause a flap. Two years from now, it will be mature and integrated into modern life. Bring it on.

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Excellent. Thank you very much Mr Operator.

If you’d like to get Mr Operator’s viewpoint on an issue, drop me a note and I’ll suggest it. And if you’d like Mr Operator to give you a perspective on how an international operator would react to doing business with you, let me know. But be warned, we’ve tried this before and, with a few exceptions, the reality is often not publishable.

Google Latitude’s #1 Problem Can’t Be Fixed

Sunday, February 8th, 2009

You can’t fix trust. Not with a click of a button.

Have a read of this:

1 in 3 Australians will snoop in the phones of their partners (according to a Virgin Mobile survey).

60% of them do it when their partner is in the shower. 41% do it with their partner in view.

(quote from Tomi Ahonen’s presentation at Future of Mobile 2008.)

Principally I suspect the ’snooping’ is looking at text messages and recent call lists.

Now if it’s that bad without sticking ‘location’ into the mix, how is it going to be when the masses take a look at Google Latitude?

How many relationships — business and personal — are about to get absolutely nailed by the fact that your friends and partners can *SEE* where you are. Or where you were?

Witness the following frequently used explanations that I often overhear:

Chap: I’m still in the office
Google Latitude: He’s over the other side of London. With friends Graham, Paul. And, er — if you check out that Kate girl’s blog, you’ll see her Latitude puts her within 100m of him.

Chap: I’m just at the shops buying you something in that underwear shop!
Google Latitude: He’s at PC World, about a mile away from any shops that might sell underwear.

Chap: (Text message) I’m just getting on the train.
Google Latitude: He hasn’t left the office.

Chap: NO? I’m not out with the guys. I’m just getting a sandwich then I’m on my way home.
Google Latitude: Before he switched me off, he was sitting next to ‘the guys’. And that bitch girl Kate was heading this year. That was an hour ago. That’s all I know, right?

Chap: Sorry boss, I’m stuck in the snow and I won’t be able to get into work.
Google Latitude: Rubbish! He’s at the leisure park near work — next to the cinema!

Teenager: I’m, er, just going to the shops to get a can of Coke. Back in 20.
Google Latitude: He’s round that Vicky-girl’s house again.

Teenager: Yeah I’m at school. So what, mum?
Google Latitude: He’s not in school. He’s not in the same town actually. Ask him how he got to the next town?

And so on.

Despite the fact that Latitude has bucketloads of privacy goodness, the use of this technology is going to take quite a while to get a hang of…

Google Latitude arrives to rip the arse out of mobile location services

Wednesday, February 4th, 2009

I did a call on Twitter for 140 character (or more) immediate reactions to Google’s modification to Google Maps. The new feature, Latitude, is a setting on the menu of Google Maps 3.0 available for download today. Now you can see your Google friends visually on Google Maps. It works rather well and the ramifications of the introduction are rather, rather huge.

Here’s a few screenshots:
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Me approving Rax’s addition to my Latitude friends:
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Here’s some of my friends:
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When I quit Google Maps, I now get the option to continue to share my location information in the background. Nice.
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Download it for your S60, Windows Mobile or J2ME device today at www.google.com/latitude. (Android and iPhone are coming soon).

Now, to the opinions and perspective. Some have delivered 140 characters (a Tweet’s worth) of viewpoint whilst others emailed me expanded viewpoints. If you’ve got a viewpoint you’d like included — drop it in an email to me right-away at ewan@mobileindustryreview.com or Tweet it to me at @ew4n and I’ll update.

Andrew Grill
Mobile Advertising Supremo
Once again Google ups the location ante with Latitude as the natural next step for them and will help sell location to the masses as cool (See Andrew’s post on the subject)

Dennis Bournique
Wap Review
Google’s foray into the mobile friend tracking arena will be huge with 100 million Gmail users one click away from using it. (Check out the post Dennis just made about Latitude).

Kerry Ritz
CEO, Palringo
Google Latitude is almost as useful as Palringo Local. We just to need launch our API :)

Stéphane Delbecque
Mobile Enthusiast (LinkedIn)
Ew4n I imagine Loopt is scared with Google Latitude being released. Will Yahoo! Fireagle be the next one?

Josh Russell
Webapp and next-gen WiMax Infrastructure Entrepreneur Josh Russell
Google hasn’t yet got it’s “friends” strategy organised, at least not publicly. I’m sure behind the scenes they’re very much aware of who our friends are, but for now, this is either not useful, or a tool for google to create those relationships. for google, all data is good, they’ll figure it out later. Google turns data into information, who it shares it with and to what level of detail is the business plan mystery that makes them what they are :) I’d speculate that Jyri of Jaiku might have something to do with this? Jaiku’s plan was to provide a live view of your contacts and allow you to do the most common tasks that you would do with your friends. No doubt they would have moved into location based services, anything that would have kept users in jaiku rather than dropping down into your phones standard OS, Jaiku was essentially making a play for the majority of the mobile attention economy.

iPhone? Well there are a few other apps on that platform. google isn’t worried, it has users.

Fireeagle? Well that’s Yahoo. Characteristically, their approach is to take a step back and create a backend framework, service as an API. It’s not a consideration for Google because it involves giving data away.

Dan Lane
Technical Contributor, Mobile Industry Review & Howler Tech
Does what it says on the tin, bit rough around edges. Hope they do machine readable feeds soon. Shame for similar services like BuddyPing!

Ben Smith
MIR Contributor & MIR Show presenter
Very positive – smart UI like iPhone, customisation options of S60. Modern & open. OTA links with Google services a killer feature.

David Carrington
Founder, Dabr
My new opinion, based on 2 minutes of Windows Mobile testing is that I Love the integration into standard Google Maps app. It has detected I’m in Maidenhead, but shows me just South of Togo (Africa) – which is probably the GPS coords 0,0. Seeing everyone else in London etc looks good though. Aha, and now it finally knows I’m in Maidenhead. Looking forward to real G1 support.

James Cooper
Mjelly
My first thought was “Goodbye Loopt” – they have raised $15m in funding and spent three years trying to get operator carriage deals for their location based social network with little real traction – along comes Google with Latitude and bam! – They’re finished!

Nihal Mehta
CEO, Buzzd

1) More attention in the space (good) — puts pressure on Microsoft, AOL, IAC, Nokia, RIM etc to either build or buy similar plans in the near term.
2) More of an issue for Loopt/Whrrl/Brightkite than for us since its based on the map interface and is about finding people
3) Google’s internal d2c efforts have been lukewarm at best, they have recently built and then acquired realizing they can’t build as good as someone else (eg goog video, then acquired youtube). Needless to say, they already have a significant install base so let’s hope they can leverage that and really give Loopt a run for their money.

Overall I’m happy since it brings serious attention to the space and could possibly make Loopt/Whrrl extinct unless they evolve their feature set asap.

Justin Davies
Co-Founder of NinetyTen
I downloaded it today on my blackberry, and I really like the simplicity of it. I think Google extending the use of location on the mobile is very exciting. It will be interesting to see how Latitude is used when it is released for the iPhone, and whether Google will open up the system into more networks.

Mr Operator
Senior Industry Insider — anonymous (See our Mr Operator features)
Complete surprise. Impressive gamechanger. Loopt/FireEagle now irrelevant. Add GTalk IM support, on J2ME devices, and it’s a killer.

Ewan Spence
Mobile Genius, All About Symbian
Its a very nice feature — but asking me what I think of Google Latitude is rather like asking me what I think of the ’settings’ on an application menu. Latitude isn’t standalone. It’s one of the bullet points added to Google Maps 3.0. There’s also quite a lot of PR spin going on. Google Maps is just a little bit better.

This is something Google have been doing for a while — minor tweaks regularly. If they’d released this feature in Google Maps two years ago we’d all have been blown away. But they’ve delivered a slow, precise, managed increase in feature set over the years. First maps, then maps with satellite view. Then the ‘my location’ feature. Now you can see where your friends are — and share your own location.

We’ll need to wait, what, 6 months until an API appears — so expect slow and measured progress. That is, of course, assuming Google knows what they’re doing. This is from a company who’s bought and effectively closed down Jaiku, Dodgeball and so on. They’ve turned these mobile acquisitions into menu entries!

Or, looking at it in another way, boiled them down and condensed their brilliant features into a menu entry.

Broadly speaking it’s good news. It’s whitelist — so if I give you permission to see my location, I don’t automatically see your location — and you’ve got varying degrees of privacy (e.g. just show my city).

Google’s going to continue to build up even more information about users — the walk-about data that they gain from Latitude will undoubtedly be valuable. And remember that the UK/European data protection acts don’t apply with Google. The data can be used for good and ‘evil’.

I also note the increased focus on pulling in users and building up traffic. Nokia have been doing this with Ovi, Apple with their App Store — the new currency is not handset sales or churn. With the networks relegated to ‘pipe mode’, it’s all about how many users you can get using your service — and Google Maps 3.0 looks like a winner in that regard.

But this is going to seriously impact the venture capital community. Take Loopt for example. What is it? 15 million dollars worth of investment and Google just made it free.


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